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07/11/2024

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sahpa

You object to rankings because by "using them one is accepting those judgments without thinking about or taking responsibility for a value judgment". Why should this be true?

Moreover, even when it is true, it isn't clear why that is objectionable per se. The value of thinking for oneself has to be qualified in a world of specialization and division of cognitive labor. Alas, I know lots of philosophers suddenly get very libertarian-sounding when it comes to value judgments in particular, valorizing some kind of unrealistic and undesirable self sufficiency.

You also lament how the PGR gets used by administration and so changes the incentives departments face. Fair enough, perhaps the PGR isn't the best tool we should be presenting to them to use. But some such tool is needed. No university administration would accept the *total absence* of any ranking scheme whatsoever, because such things are how specialized departments become legible to them qua outsiders.

You suggest toward the end that the APDA would be a superior ranking to provide (its "inherent problems" qua ranking notwithstanding) even for administrative purposes. This strikes me as naive, I'm sorry to say, precisely because administration at research-intensive universities, with philosophy researchers and a PhD program, do not only care about grad student job placement and grad student experience. They care, inevitably, also about *research productivity and prestige*. A ranking that is explicitly and directly about grad student placement is going to strike them as incomplete. Of course, the PGR is incomplete in other ways. It just isn't obvious why we should buy that the APDA is superior "for both potential graduate students and the profession as a whole" along this dimension.

Michel

I take it that the idea is that categories of the PGR are intended to reflect clusters of researchers to some extent. So the reason that Kant gets his own cluster, separate from other periods, is just that so many philosophers at research-oriented institutions specialize in Kant. This goes some way towards explaining why it's so hard for newly-popular or emerging subfields to get a foothold, since they'll have to build up significant concentrations of researchers at research institutions first. It's a bit chicken/egg, with a good dose of the Matthew effect. Now, I don't actually know what the criteria are for the subfield divisions, so I don't have a sense of how well they ultimately reflect that goal. My sense is that they (1) lag significantly, and (2) that there isn't a formal procedure to ensure a match between the categories and the sociological lay of the land, so this, I think, is where you concerns really gain traction, Sam.

That said, I'm not too bothered by the general division of subfields. What bothers me more is that the general rankings are kept separate from the specialty rankings. I'd have thought that a natural way of building the ranking would be to have it depend largely on the specialty rankings, so that the stronger a department is in more specialties, the higher its rank. At the top, then, you'd expect to see departments ranked 5 in many subfields, 4 in many more, etc., while at the bottom would be a pile of those whose modal specialty ranking is 1 or 2.

If the rankings were constructed this way, then the path to moving up the rankings would be clear: improve as many of your specialty ranks as possible. In specialties that are poorly represented at research institutions, like aesthetics, phil. of math, or Asian philosophy, this would be pretty easy--just hire a single well-regarded philosopher, or maybe two, and you could jump to the top of the specialty overnight. In more croweded subfields, it would take more, which would reward the profession for filling out neglected subfields, rather than trebling down on over-represented ones. At that point, of course, the way that the ranking breaks down specialties becomes much more important, and would need more careful attention.

Instead, the two rankings are separate entities and, despite the lip service paid to specialty rankings, my sense is that they're basically irrelevant (not least because most of us don't have a good sense of what the specialty rankings look like outside our own specialties). People just seem to default to the overall ranking.

(FWIW, I'm not a PGR skeptic, although I do think there's plenty of room for improvement in new and interesting directions. I think it's pretty useful, and I'm glad that we're a profession that maintains its own ranking system, rather than relying on useless external ones over which we have no control, like the THE or USNews rankings.)

bleugh

The NRA analogy is terrible. Assault rifles are designed to kill others, while the PGR is not designed to inform hiring or funding decisions. Nor, even, is it designed to settle application decisions. And alcohol and gambling are intentionally and knowingly addictive, undercutting the agency of their users. A better analogy would be something like kitchen knives: yes, some people misuse them and kill, but good luck making a sound argument from that fact to the conclusion that we should be seriously rethinking kitchen knives.

Endless students find the PGR useful and, in hindsight, are glad they used it. I used it ten years ago and I am glad I used it (and it didn't lead me astray). Why are you so insistent on ignoring the testimony of so many people who are glad the PGR exists, even if it isn't perfect?

Andrew

I didn't go to a PGR-ranked PhD program and don't teach at one now.

I think your diatribe has several flaws:
(1) People who gut a good applied ethics program are morons. And the institutional forces that push for that are mismanaging. If they are doing so by blindly imagining the PGR is an accreditation body, then it was merely a matter of time before they gutted it.
(2) The PGR succeeds in providing extremely important information that the average undergraduate student would not know that could inform them about a life-altering choice and its consequences.
(3) The supposed analogy to the NRA, gambling, alcohol seems really misguided. First off, it's difficult to see how they are a set, and your focus seems to be on the latter two was as predatory products that depend centrally on an off-label usage being its real meaning and purpose. It's not at all clear that the PGR secretly hopes that people abuse it harmfully.
(4) Instead, it makes some sense that what is informative for where you should go is also informative for where a lot of the good work is going on in mainstream philosophy.
(5) I don't actually think the ratings are negatively biased against Asian philosophy -- if anything this is a relatively employable area. But it is niche and excited undergraduates should understand that and not pick one of the few places that do it as if it's going to go well for them (the majority of people I know who went to such places are no longer in academic philosophy 5 or 10 years later).
(6) The ADPA is a superior tool in some respects and I'm glad it now exists. It probably only exists because the PGR exists and people realized that placement in jobs is an even better data set.

Again, more tools is better than less tools. Better tools are better than worse tools.

Woodgrain

This was helpful; I had forgotten that on the far preferable APDA ranking, SLU outranks the Ivy League by an aggregate 200 or so places.

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