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05/15/2024

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slac assc

It might depend on how much time has passed. I did something similar at PQ a few years back, but there was more than a two-year gap between submissions. Try to imagine your reaction if the editor notices and asks you about it. If it's shame/embarrassment, it might be better to not submit, or to give a heads-up before doing so.

Early career

One possible maneuver: If the journal has contact information for their editor(s), send an inquiry about this to them. Don't send the paper unsolicited in that email, but explain the situation as you have done here, and see what their policy is in-house. You wouldn't be overburdening any reviewers at this stage, only giving the editor one email to read and respond to.

Transparency

I’m neither an expert on this nor an editor, but why not use the cover letter to tell the editor the situation, and let them decide what to do with it? That might allow you to make your case while also being fully transparent.

Tim O'Keefe

Strong agree with "early career." Go ahead and ask, giving the relevant details. The editor shouldn't mind, and the worst that can happen is that they say "no."

academic migrant

I did it with one journal, with more than 70% rewritten but argued for the exact same conclusion. Asked the editorial assistant to pass on the message to the EIC first though. Didn't get accepted but when out for peer review, so quite grateful towards the EIC for a second shot. Got accepted in the next journal I submitted to though.

MindLang

This has been discussed before:

https://philosopherscocoon.typepad.com/blog/2020/12/submitting-a-different-version-of-a-paper.html

https://philosopherscocoon.typepad.com/blog/2022/04/submitting-a-vastly-revised-paper-years-after-rejection.html

My perspective: unless you’re in a field like aesthetics where there are very few specialty journals, there isn’t much to gain from fixating on one journal.


Transparency 2

I am with @Transparency.
If the journal asks "has this paper been submitted to this journal before" answer yes and give the identifier.
Then at the cover letter, highlight this again by perhaps saying "A version of it has been submitted before. I am grateful for the referee reports that took it into a new and better direction"
No need to argue how different it is, hopefully this will be apparent from a cursory reading. e.g., title, intro.
Accept that it would be up to the editor to decide.

UK Grad Student

To those who answered anything other than "it's fine": presumably there's some point at which a paper becomes sufficiently different from its previous iterations such that it's appropriate to submit to the same journal without a cover letter. At what point would that be?

ruferee

UK Grad
Here is an answer ... if the paper is likely to go out to the same referees, then it is inappropriate to send it to the same journal.

Transparency 2

@ruferee Interesting criterion!--but sometimes same papers do get different referees and different papers get same referees, though I am not sure about likelihood.

@Uk Maybe trust your gut feeling? I think that it is safe to assume that if people feel the need to come ask, chances are that this is not the case of a simple green light. e.g., I have revised a draft so different than before that I submitted to the same journal without hesitation. It was very clear to me that it was a different paper.

slac assc

UK Grad Student: why assume epistemicism here?

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