In our newest "how can we help you?" thread a reader asks:
What are the limits on post-acceptance edits? Presumably it is fine to spell check, add a clarifying sentence or two, etc. Suppose that R2 asks you to address an objection, so you do. But really you think that it’s a waste of space to address this silly objection so you delete it post-acceptance. I assume that in most cases the editor is not paying such careful attention that you would be caught.
Hmm, interesting question. I don't think deleting something like that is at all appropriate, as the referee(s) and editor(s) accepted the version of the paper that contained the response to the objection. I'm not sure whether I agree that one is unlikely to get caught, but regardless, it seems to me like a bad idea, both morally and prudentially. What if the reviewer reads the paper after publication and complains to the editor? It could give rise to a world of problems for the author that they could have easily avoided by leaving the paper alone. As for adding a clarifying sentence or two, I'm not sure.
What do readers think?
This is something that seems obviously wrong to me. I would also be surprised if it weren't grounds for retraction, or at least publication of one of those brief "correction" type notices that one sometimes sees.
Posted by: anon | 05/13/2024 at 09:00 AM
Agree this seems like a bad idea to me. The paper accepted by the reviewers is the paper that should be published.
Posted by: SimAnonymous | 05/13/2024 at 09:09 AM
Authors can use the acknowledgement section to say things. This one recently appeared on a Facebook page
"We appreciate the suggestion of one anonymous reviewer to expand the analysis in the light of achievements in Akarsu and Genç (2022), Bilgili and Sahin (2009), Genç, 2010, Genç, 2011, Genç and Gökçek (2009), Genç et al., 2012a, Genç et al., 2012b, Karipoglu, Genç and Koca (2021), Karipoglu, Genç and Akarsu (2022)."
Posted by: the unacknowlegement section | 05/13/2024 at 09:25 AM
I appreciate the attraction of thinking "am I really going to get caught". But I think it's best to approach publications (and professional life more broadly) with the mindset of "assume every colleague/dept chair will know how I comported myself". This seems like a bad idea, and asking for trouble.
Posted by: gyges | 05/13/2024 at 10:43 AM
Absolutely do not delete it. And we do check - as editors. In fact, the editor will even typically get the proofs to check AFTER you have checked them and made corrections and changes. And they can see the changes you have made. As an editor, I have reversed changes authors have made.
Posted by: a strict editor | 05/13/2024 at 10:53 AM
I don’t think it’s fine to add a clarifying sentence, much less two! That phase of the process is for spotting typo’s and errant commas.
Posted by: Early career | 05/13/2024 at 11:56 AM
Even setting the ethics aside, potentially risking a publication in order to delete a portion of your paper that you think is tangential just seems like a pragmatically terrible idea.
Posted by: Anony | 05/13/2024 at 02:07 PM
I agree with the general sentiments expressed above; if you really think the referee's recommendations are silly AND you really don't want to change them, the time to do that is when you send in the revisions, explaining to the editor why you think the changes are unnecessary. Of course, that might keep the paper from being published, but you can then send it to another journal instead. (Obv not great advice if you need the publication in the short run to find a job or get tenure).
Posted by: Chris | 05/13/2024 at 03:54 PM
Whether or not to change a paper after getting it accepted is about as perplexing a question as whether or not to send a paper to multiple journals in the hopes it won’t get caught.
Posted by: Santa Monica | 05/13/2024 at 07:21 PM
Also, there is a conceivable scenario in which one’s motivation for asking such a question is (in part) dissatisfaction with the response on one’s own part to a deceptively challenging quote-unquote silly objection. In such a situation, that needs to be taken up through the proper channels, or else (and ideally) avoided in the first place.
Posted by: Santa Monica | 05/13/2024 at 07:42 PM
I would not delete something I added in response to a referee's comment. Once it's in, it's in--unless, after the R&R is accepted, the editor tells me that I need to cut a pile of stuff. (This happened recently; the limit was 7500 words, the R&R saw me add about 1500, and then the editor asked me to cut a further 2000 once the R&R was accepted. Deciding what to cut was _very_ difficult).
One thing that's mildly annoying is journals that don't ask you to upload a final version after the acceptance and before copy editing. Once the referees are satisfied I often find a few sentences I'd like to tweak, or a footnote I'd like to add/delete, but we're discouraged from doing so at the copy editing stage.
Posted by: Michel | 05/14/2024 at 01:29 PM
You owe it to yourself to get the paper out of your sight once it's finally been accepted, especially if it's been a slog.
Posted by: everwhat | 05/14/2024 at 02:12 PM