Our books






Become a Fan

« Program prestige comparisons in applying to PhD programs? | Main | Going over a journal's word-limit in an R&R? »

06/06/2023

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Prof L

So the OP is clearly atheist, but is still treated as religious (hence the advantage at religious places and the disadvantage at anti-religious places).

This is very interesting. But I guess this type of stuff is typical of the discipline, and it tells quite a lot about how job searches go.

Hermias

In the cover letters to the secular places, just say “btw, am not religious, but went to this program and studied with X because Y”

Cover letters remind me of high schoolers dating; just tell them straight what you want them to know, no need for subtle allusions or covert signals - “how do I tell her!?!?” “bro just tell her”

btw, would love to hear more about your intense interest in leprechauns : )

Bill Vanderburgh

This seems likely to be merely a statistical fluctuation, not reflective of an actual bias. Most people get passed over for most jobs, no matter where they got their PhDs. There might be other factors that are more explanatory (perhaps places that teach Phil Religion are more teaching-focused, and OP's cv is a better fit for teaching-focused departments?).

unfit for it

When I was first on the market, I was getting first round interviews at a number of religious schools. I was educated at public universities in Canada, but my profile made me look as if I had broad interests, was well educated in the history of philosophy (from Ancient to 19 C. continental), and had a concern for the development of the whole person that such schools like. I AM all that, and more ;) But I was never invited for an on-campus interview at such places. I am thoroughly secular, and an old-fashioned feminist. Fit really matters, both at religious and non-religious institutions.

Well I Would Walk 1000 Miles to Not Have to Fly 4000 Miles

Prof L,

Agreed. Also, I've noticed that search committee members, especially the older ones, often assume that your choices were out of passion, rather than e.g. working with someone because it was a requirement of a job or moving to a country because that was the only place you could get a job.

So, I've learned that if I don't want them to think that, I need to be clear.

Atheistic Div Student

For reasons that can be unearthed from comments in the last relevant thread (see, e.g. "woman in philosophy"), PhDs from overtly religious institutions will almost definitely be typecast. And it will almost definitely affect their job prospects, at least as I read things. But I know of a couple of cases where this has been overcome, and it was done by directly countering the stereotyping that would otherwise be in place. For example, if you're in a place like South Bend, Indiana, and are getting a PhD at a religious institution, I'd post in prominent places your support for, say, Pete Buttigieg (if true), or something else that shows one your not a pro-life, family values conservative (if you aren't). Or whatever else religious institutions are unjustifiably typecast with -- make sure to prominently refute it. I've seen this work.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.

Your Information

(Name and email address are required. Email address will not be displayed with the comment.)

Subscribe to the Cocoon

Current Job-Market Discussion Thread

Philosophers in Industry Directory

Categories

Subscribe to the Cocoon