Our books






Become a Fan

« Tips for on-campus visit meetings with deans? | Main | Why hire new PhDs over VAPs with better publication records? »

01/17/2023

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

recently negotiated twice

Unless your department is dysfunctional, I would recommend that people talk to their chairs as soon as they get offers of flyouts, and keep them informed about the process. At some universities it is more normal for the chair to initiate a conversation with the dean for you (in consultation with you). In addition, sometimes one can negotiate a retention raise for removing oneself from consideration for a job offer. Your chair should be able to consult with you about what the best strategy at your particular institution is (unless they are brand new to the university or don't have much institutional knowledge for some other reason), and give you the best specific advice about what to do. Of course, if you don't trust your chair, if you think they will resent you for having an outside offer, etc. all of this is moot--but if you are a junior person, I still might consider first consulting with a senior person in your department you trust. Going directly to the dean is definitely always fine, but sometimes there might be considerations about how to talk to them, etc., that your chair or another senior person might have better knowledge of than you do.

Rosa

In my first TT job, I always went to my department chair when I got a fly out - and then went back to him when it came time to negotiate with an outside offer. BUT that was in a very particular context: my department had a fairly explicit policy of "hire the best people possible, assume they will move on to other jobs after a few years, and support them in the process." So I felt like my chair was on my side, and would not resent me for applying out. If I had been in ANY way uncertain about whether he would resent it, I would not have told him before I had an offer in hand - but I still would probably go to my department head as a courtesy before going to the Dean, unless I thought that they were actively hostile to me. They might have valuable info about how to as and what to ask for, there might be a standard way of doing things at your university that it would cause bad blood to to go outside of, etc.

moving on

Tried, got an email response citing policy that they don't do that. But I think there's no harm asking.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.

Your Information

(Name and email address are required. Email address will not be displayed with the comment.)

Job-market reporting thread

Current Job-Market Discussion Thread

Job ads crowdsourcing thread

Philosophers in Industry Directory

Categories