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01/19/2023

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Daniel A. Kaufman

This all strikes me as fair, but then it is also fair for hiring committees to take flight risk into account when hiring.

Bill Vanderburgh

Hiring is a hassle, so departments want their efforts to bear fruits and produce long-term colleagues who earn tenure and make the department a delightful place to be. But mostly they just don't want to have to do more committee service. Like childbirth (so I hear), though, the memory of the badness of another committee fades, and in time they won't even think of you, let alone hold a grudge.

The serious potential negative for the candidate is if the department finds out you are trying to leave and you don't succeed--that could create some awkwardness. In some places it might (informally at least) jeopardize your tenure chances. But since you don't want to stay anyway, .

Not getting the line renewed is a bad thing that could happen to the department. As much as we might bemoan the loss of a ttrack position for the profession, that's their problem not yours. Anyway it is reasonably low probability: Presumably the conditions that made the dean agree to a hire a couple of years ago are pretty similar today (changes of leadership and economic downturns are the major spoilers of that pattern).

corollary

Not sure if this is worth another thread, but I think it's also worth mentioning that flight risks have to be proportional to the brutality of the market. In particular, the more candidates there are that take jobs they aren't thrilled with because they are "out of time" somewhere else (grad school/post docs), the more candidates there will be that are hoping to get somewhere else as soon as possible.

Michel

corollary: As another corollary, flight risk is going to be proportionate to the market for the AOS. If a department is really worried about it, they should hire in an AOS that advertises very few jobs each year. At 0-1 jobs a year, for example, no junior aesthetician, no matter how great, is much of a flight risk!

T

Beware that if you apply for a job in Norway, every candidate who applies will be sent a list of every candidate who applies.

Joona Räsänen

T: is that so? I have applied for jobs in Norway and never have I received such a list.

T

Yeah, it is. I have received one for each of the Norwegian jobs I've applied for and so have my friends who applied (I knew to ask them, since they were on the list).

Peter

Same in Sweden, you get an evaluation of yourself and all the other candidates, in my experience. So if you apply for jobs in these northern countries, other people on the market may know that you are looking for a new job.

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