In our newest "how can we help you?" thread, an anonymous reader writes:
I've been reading over Marcus's advice about cover letters. He says to state your accomplishments and fit for the job plainly, without trying to sell yourself or talk yourself up. So my question is: I don't have yet have any legitimate publications. Is describing the papers that I have under review considered "talking myself up"? A couple of them are (I think) close to getting published, given the feedback I've been receiving. But I just haven't sealed the deal yet. Should I talk about this in my cover letter?
These are excellent questions, and I'm curious to hear what readers think. Here are my quick reactions:
- Short descriptions of a couple of your best papers under review is probably a good idea. Given that you don't have publications yet, explaining what your best papers do is probably the best way to interest hiring committees in your candidacy as a researcher.
- I would not suggest stating which journals the papers are under review at, nor do I think it is a good idea to try to explain how close you think they are to getting published, given the feedback you have received. My sense is that both of these things can come off poorly, as search committees are interested in tangible accomplishments, and anyone can place a paper under review at a journal and get positive informal feedback. The hard part--the part that hiring committees care about the most--is the 'sealing the deal' part (i.e. getting published).
Finally, although some data that I informally collected nine years ago suggested that people can still get hired at research institutions without any publications, my sense is that this may be rapidly changing. The job market is so competitive these days that it seems increasingly difficult to be competitive without publications. So, above all (although they probably know this already), I would suggest to the OP to get a bunch of papers out for review as soon as possible! But these are just my thoughts. What are yours?
Sorry I can’t help the OP instead of just adding another question. Do readers think it is wise to mention the existence of R-and-Rs in a cover letter? And if so, the journal names? Does the answer change if they are highly regarded journals? For my case in particular: I have two other publications at decent journals. Thanks as always for everyone’s help.
Posted by: Anton | 08/24/2021 at 01:24 PM
I've seen the phrase 'recently had revisions requested from Journal X' pop up in letters. I don't think there is anything wrong with it, but I'm interested to hear what others think.
Getting an R and R is a non-trivial achievement. Especially in top journals.
There is a slight risk of breaching anonymity if someone in the hiring process is involved with the refereeing process, but I don't think it is much bigger than when you list work in progress on the CV or website, which I take to be standard practice.
Posted by: Bram | 08/24/2021 at 02:54 PM
Bram: I agree. An R&R is a tangible accomplishment--not a publication, obviously, but the kind of thing that provides an indication to a search committee that the author is likely to publish the piece. I would by all means mention an R&R in a cover letter, including the journal name. Yes, there is a non-trivial possibility of breaching anonymity, but it seems to me probably worth it for a job-candidate and an appropriate thing to include in a job application.
Posted by: Marcus Arvan | 08/24/2021 at 03:08 PM
If you don't have any publications, then you cannot list certain papers as accomplishments. But you can still describe a sequence of unpublished papers that look like the sort of thing that would, eventually, be published. I think part of what search committees look for is evidence that you will be productive in your research; the simplest evidence is that you have been productive. But if you can communicate that you have three papers submitted to journals that are in a subject matter relevant to the job, that might be the best evidence you can offer.
Posted by: Tim | 08/24/2021 at 07:56 PM
I agree with Marcus's concluding comment: If you don't have any publications at all you are probably not competitive for almost any full-time academic job. Even at my university, which is heavily teaching focused, all our shortlisted candidates in recent searches have had publications in hand (mostly, sevearal). There are so many excellent people on the market for the few tenure-track jobs available, making the short list is harder than ever. Without pubs, especially ABD, I'd recommend sitting this year out and focusing on getting done (delay defense so you can keep your status, but have the work finished) and getting one or two publications from it.
It is perfectly acceptable (and good practice) to let the search committee know if a paper moves from "under review" to "R&R", or to "accepted." When you email with that news, attach an updated c.v.
Posted by: William Vanderburgh | 08/24/2021 at 11:26 PM
What you should resist is making a judgment in your cover letter to the effect that these likely to be published. You can describe where they are in the process, and describe their content, but much more risks sounding deceptive. Consider two applicants, one has a paper under review at APQ, the other a paper under review at JPhil. There is no evidence that either is a better philosophy - ZERO. Anyone can send anything to any journal. Now run the thought experiment with only one philosopher. You get the same result.
Posted by: m | 08/25/2021 at 01:08 AM
If it's perfectly acceptable to let search committees if things change from under review to R&R or accepted, and most jobs deadlines are not for a couple months still, I think it's strange advice to tell this person to sit the job market out. (Also, I don't think we should advise people to sit the job market out for a year when we don't know their situation--maybe this person has no choice/no further funding (even if they could keep ABD status), which is a common situation to be in.
Also, fwiw, people are still getting tenure track jobs with no publications, though I agree it's less common (two of my students have gotten jobs with no publications over the past three years (small program, so significant), but also I've seen people on philjobs' appointments list who have no publications). But I think people are making a mistake here equating "applying for jobs" with "applying for tenure track jobs". You can still be competitive for VAPs and other lecturing jobs, many postdocs, and so on without publications.
I understand that we want to give people a realistic picture of the market and I agree it is a huge disadvantage on the market to not have publications, but I worry the discussion here is going to be *too* discouraging to a candidate who didn't ask for our advice about their chances on the market--they may already be fully aware of that, or they may not be interested in our advice--but merely asked for advice about writing a cover letter. I would feel crappy if this was the kind of advice I got after a simple inquiry about how to write a cover letter!
Posted by: anonymous junior faculty | 08/25/2021 at 10:34 AM