In our newest "how can we help you?" thread, a reader asks:
I have questions about writing papers. Specifically:
how do I finish them?
does everyone else find them as difficult to finish as I do?
It has been five years since my Phd and have managed to publish some stuff that I am happy with. I have never found starting writing particularly onerous, and generally enjoying getting the first 80% down. But, I always find the last 20% –actually getting the thing into a submittable state takes me an enormous amount of time.
Right now, I have a more than 80% of a paper finished –but it has been at this stage for the last month despite me working on it pretty much every day.
I find that a paragraph that I need to fix/alter slightly/rewrite will lead to me needing to fix/alter/slightly/rewrite another part of the paper. And so on...
So, I guess a couple of things could be happening:
1. Many people go through something like this and it is just a normal part of finishing papers.
2. I am doing something wrong. perhaps I need to get ideas more clear in my head before I start writing?
Yeah, I think this is totally normal--or, at least, it's something that I struggle with too. I love drafting new papers. Finishing them, on the other hand, is the tricky part. It takes a ton of polishing, and this in my experience is the least fun and most difficult part to do. You constantly fiddle with things, insert and remove things, second-guess yourself, and so on. I currently have maybe ten papers like this that are 80-90% done, but which I'm finding it difficult to polish into the kind of shape that I'm happy enough with to submit. And what often happens is that I have an idea for a new paper, so I'll begin drafting that up because I find that more enjoyable (this is in part the reason why I have so many papers in the 'polish' stage).
Maybe the OP and I are outliers in this regard, I don't know--but I suspect not. Any readers care to weigh in? And any tips for the OP to help them get to the finish line more quickly?
It's the same here. For my part, I just have to decide that I want the paper done and sent by some date (usually the end of a month), and I'll tinker up until then, give it a last look, and send it off. Then I can reward myself with something new.
Posted by: Michel | 07/20/2021 at 09:58 AM
I think this is a *really* common struggle in our field (though not necessarily specific to our field) but it a real problem for meeting professional expectations. Grad school imposes a lot of deadlines - so that can remove part of the problem (the paper is 100% done when it is due, not when you feel it is perfect) but even that can be a problem for students who perpetually take incompletes instead of turning in papers, or can't finish a dissertation.
In the post-PhD world my strategy is to create deadlines for myself. Sometimes I make them up, sometimes I set my sights on a special issue submission with a fixed deadline. This helps. It might mean I send out work that is good but not the greatest it ever could be (but what does that mean anyway for it to be the greatest it could be? and according to whom? even if I think it is perfect Reviewer 2 will likely disagree). Now I find the papers that languish in the 80% done phase are the ones I feel most invested in, oddly enough, because those are the ones I most want to get *right* and most want to see in an especially *good* journal and they are therefore the hardest to polish up and finalize to my imagined standard for them. I look forward to other comments and suggestion on this topic.
Posted by: Assistant Professor | 07/20/2021 at 10:42 AM
I don't think you're doing anything wrong, this part of writing certainly can take a lot of time.
That said, it is the part of writing I actually like the most, because I find it easier to feel motivated to work on a paper in know is almost there than one I'm not sure will ever get there.
Different problems for different people I guess. I find the middle part of writing the hardest: filling in the details after I have drafted out the main parts of the paper but before I am just polishing and working on the expression of the paper.
Posted by: Anon Grad | 07/20/2021 at 08:04 PM
Totally normal. I struggle with this as well. A professor once told me, 'you never finish a paper; you merely stop working on it.' I think that's fundamentally right.
A piece of advice I've been given and like: just ignore the paper for some time (2-4 weeks). Then re-read it. If you are pleasantly surprised with it, maybe its time to stop tinkering. If you would be embarrassed for it to be published as it (because of that page, or these paragraphs), keep tinkering.
Posted by: Tim | 07/20/2021 at 09:24 PM
Related to this, I'm reading Pamela Haag's book "Revise" and it's pretty good.
And I agree with what's been said above about the normality of OP's experience.
Posted by: FC | 07/21/2021 at 10:36 AM