In our newest "how can we help you?" thread, a reader writes:
I have a question about referring. What are people’s thoughts about putting your verdict into your report for the author? E.g. putting “I am recommending revise & resubmit …” or “I am recommending rejection because …” somewhere near the beginning. Do you think it is best practice to always do this, or perhaps to refrain from it? The editor of course already knows the referee’s verdict, but I’m asking about a referee communicating that verdict directly to the author. As an author I sometimes have to read the tea leaves about whether a referee thought a paper should be revised or just rejected. I’d be interested to hear what authors and referees think, but also editors as well. Maybe there's a reason that info shouldn't always be included?
Chivers Butler responded:
I suspect this would result in authors arguing with editors over their decisions, or at least attempting to get them to justify their decisions when they differ from that of (one of) the referees.
I'm actually a bit surprised by this response. As a referee, I always either put some kind of recommendation or other in my review for the author, or in a few rare cases have explained why I had trouble arriving at a firm recommendation. I've just always assumed this to be good practice, and I've always been thankful as an author when referees are clear about their recommendations.
Indeed, as an author, some of the more frustrating cases I've encountered are ones where it wasn't at all clear to me where the referee stood on things. In general, I'm all for transparency: if a referee thinks a paper should be rejected, or given an R&R, or accepted, say so! Sure, I imagine this could result in authors arguing with editors--but couldn't the converse (not providing the author with a recommendation) do so just as well? For example, I've never argued with an editor. However, if I were an author and both referees seemed to like the paper but provided no clear recommendation and the editor rejected it anyway, then I might wonder what in the world led to that verdict. If, let's say, the referee said behind the scenes (in confidential comments to the editor) that the paper isn't groundbreaking enough for an acceptance or R&R, then that would be a good thing to know!
But of course, these are just my thoughts. What are yours? As the OP notes, it would be good to hear from authors, referees, and editors here, to get different perspectives on things!
Very much in the place my judgment into the referee report category. That's pretty much the most important thing I can say to an author.
Posted by: anonymous this time | 03/25/2021 at 09:32 AM
I always put my recommendation into the report for the author, and I appreciate it when others do the same for me. I do see the worry for editors, but I wonder how bad this is. I have had a paper rejected from a top five journal (it would have been my best placed article) even though both referees recommended R&R. The editor explained why that decision was reached, and although disappointed, it didn't even occur to me to argue (and even on reflection I think my response was the best one). In any case, knowing that two referees thought the paper was worth pursuing even at such a high venue was important information to me, and I am very glad this info was passed along.
Posted by: Peter Furlong | 03/25/2021 at 10:11 AM
I think that the referee's primary responsibility is to provide advice to the editor regarding whether the paper should be accepted, rejected, or given an R&R verdict as well as to explain to the editor why they are making this recommendation. They can do this either in their comments for the editor only or in their comments to the author, depending on what they think is best. Secondarily, if requested in the journal's original invitation to referee, the referee should provide constructive feedback for the author. But I don't believe that the referee has any duty to tell the author what they're recommending to the editor. Nor do I think that there's a duty of transparency to not say anything privately to the editor. Nor do I think that the referee has a duty to provide any comments for the author if the journal just asked for a recommendation and a brief explanation for the editor's eyes only. So, I think that it's neither best practice for the referee to always include their recommendation in the comments to the author or best practice for the referee to always exclude their recommendation in the comments to the author. In some situations, a referee will be uncertain about what to recommend or will have low confidence in their recommendation and so may want to explain this in their comments for the editor's eyes only and focus their comments to the author on just some constructive feedback without any indication of what their recommendation is. In other cases, it may be helpful to explain to the author what their recommendation is.
Posted by: Douglas W. Portmore | 03/25/2021 at 10:54 AM
To be clear, I would welcome verdicts in referee reports (and would not argue with editors if their verdict did not match that of the referees). My worry is just that the number of people who *would* argue with editors would be sufficiently high that the net effect would be an increase in editor workload and grief. My understanding is that they already deal with a fair number of disgruntled authors.
Posted by: Chivers Butler | 03/25/2021 at 11:06 AM
I think a clear verdict is an essential part of a referee report. I think the clear verdict also forces the referee to justify their remarks and assessment of the paper under review.
I am against comments directed privately to the editor. I write my review for the editor, but everything I say is also written for the author of the paper. This ensures that I am not an @ss with respect to my comments.
Posted by: black and white | 03/25/2021 at 11:16 AM
I always include my verdict. And I always appreciate knowing the referees' verdicts, since it gives me a sense of how close I came.
Posted by: Michel | 03/25/2021 at 11:40 AM
At Ergo the author can always see the referee's recommendation (whether or not the referee included it in their report), and they seem to be doing just fine. I really don't see why more journals shouldn't do this.
Posted by: ehz | 03/25/2021 at 12:58 PM
My view is much like Portmore's. Seems right to me.
Fwiw, I've encountered some journals that ask reviewers not include a decision in the author comments.
On what may lead editors to reject a paper with positive reviews -- an editor once told me that they received a lot of papers on X, so unless my paper was just gangbusters, they would reject it.
Posted by: former chair | 03/25/2021 at 03:07 PM
I honestly just cannot see how more transparency could be a bad thing. If it is a bad thing for an editor that's probably a decent sign that the editor is either doing something that's not above board or at least needs to explain himself and his reasoning a bit more. Why would it be bad if authors challenged editors when there's good reason? It might be annoying for editors but I don't see that as a terribly convincing argument against it. The fact that editors often have a lot of power, that it's unclear just how much, and varies from journal to journal is one reason (among many) that many of us distrust the peer review system and suspect that it's rigged in favor of the well-connected and well-known and against everyone else. Personally, I really think that editors ought to be limited in their options in light of referee reports and that journals ought to have clear standards about what editors can do in light of referee comments and what they can't. But at the very least if an editor is going to overrule the referees he should have to own that decision.
Posted by: Sam Duncan | 03/26/2021 at 06:40 AM