In our most recent "how can we help you?" thread, Javier writes:
I’m a MA student in a European country, studying in a university without any sort of top international recognition regarding the programs available. I did a BA in Philosophy here as well, and I have a fairly good record, some things better than others, but not an excellent one. And I have some research experience, though I’m finding it difficult to write a publishable paper. Also, a couple of scholarships.
By the end of the year, I should apply to a few doctoral programs, both in my country and outside. And I’ve been wondering about what it would mean going to the US. Reading the acceptance rates and scrolling through the profiles of PhD students in some universities makes me think it might be impossible to be accepted in a program that makes the move to another country advantageous. I would have an opportunity here, and I have a wonderful advisor, but there are limitations.
My primary motivation to go is the possibility of teaching in my area of interest, which won't happen where I am. But better pay and the possibility to work with new faces in that area are obviously in my mind as well. Also, the structure of PhD programs in the US is attractive to me, as I feel I haven't as much education as I'd like regarding either my area of interest or my development as a researcher.
There are two distinct, but related, concerns here:
1 – Is moving to a US to be part of a program that has less recognition an advantage if you are in a European program without much recognition as well, but where you might have the possibility of doing research in the long run?
2 – Are PhD students in the US always in the need to move after they end their degree?
3 – As someone with mental health issues, being in a place where there’s at least the possibility of stability is important for my ability to work. Is this a problem for international students in the US, given the lack of insurance that affects so many people there?
I know a ‘top’ program is something a bit vague. I’m considering programs like the ones usually ranked has such.
I apologize if similar questions have been asked before. As I do not have the financial ability to apply to many programs, I feel the need to be sure about at least some things before applying to any program at all. I understand I'm the only one able to answer some questions, but your personal experiences and your insights on this might help me look at some aspects that are currently on the dark for me.
Good questions! Two readers submitted replies. One reader writes:
You write that "it might be impossible to be accepted in a program that makes the move to another country advantageous." All the top phd programs have students from all over the world. I wouldn't worry about this. Regarding some of your other concerns, my personal opinion is that it's not worth going to a program that is not top ranked. Even top programs might not be worth it if getting a job is your concern. (See the recent job market post here to get a sense of what the philosophy job market is like.)
Elisa Freschi then wrote:
I am not sure about why you don't mention the alternatives, but perhaps they are worth considering? For instance, the world is not just made up of Europe and the US (there are attractive philosophy programs also in Canada, Australia, Singapore…). And some of these places have public health coverage, so that you would not need to worry about 3), while at the same time having the needs you mention under 2) (=new faces, new challenges…) covered. You might also consider moving somewhere else within Europe. A final comment, which Marcus or others here may rectify, since I just moved to North America: If you apply to a US job from a low-ranked US program, the committee may assume they know what is your value (low). If you come from Europe (etc.), they will just not know. This can be an advantage.
I disagree with the first reader that it's not worth going to a program that is not top ranked. Back in 2017, the ADPA Report found that some low-ranked and unranked programs have significantly better overall academic job-placement rates than high-ranked program. If I were in the OP's position, I think I would want to enter a program with a good placement rate where I think I would flourish - and given how competitive top-ranked programs are, it might well be that the OP would flourish more at a less competitive place. However, being an American, I'm inclined to think that the OP's second and third issues may be more relevant. First, yes, virtually all PhD students in the US need to move after the PhD - often multiple times for temporary academic jobs. Second, as we all know, the US is not the best place to be for health insurance. Are grad students covered for insurance by their employer? Honestly, grad school was so long ago that I don't remember - and anyway health insurance has changed a lot since I graduated.
Anyway, it might be good to hear from people 'in the know' - that is, from other international grad students who chose to get their PhD in different places (the US, Europe, Asia, etc.). If you were in a similar position as the OP, what choice did you make, and would you recommend it given the OP's situation? Why/why not?
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