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03/18/2020

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PhDsoon

I'll soon get my PhD and some of my senior coworkers have not found a postdoc yet, although they graduated quite a while ago. This raised the question, how long does it usually take between handing in your dissertation or getting your degree, and actually getting your first paycheck as a postdoc?

I realize that this depends on a lot of factors, but a rough average or some experiences would be great so as to not have an unrealistic idea.

StillAPhDstudent

Related to the question above is my question.

What is the average time for people who just got their doctorate to find a postdoc? Do I have to expect to be between PhD and postdoc for months (or possibly over a year)?
If so, how do people cover their costs? Simply resorting to work outside academia, or is it usual to work as e.g. a tutor?

Ben

I've noticed that people sometimes omit to indicate that a publication was a discussion note/reply, on their CVs. This strikes me as at least slightly deceptive. Do readers share this impression? Impressive though an discussion piece in Mind or Ethics is, the designation 'original article' (along with a difference in reviewing policies) suggests that we recognize there to be a meaningful difference in weight between ('original') articles and discussion pieces/replies. One can of course find out whether some listed publication was a discussion piece, but one worry is that, when CVs are compared at a distance, philosophers being transparent (in designating a reply as such) may be disadvantaging themselves via their transparency. (Of course, when CVs are compared at a closer distance, the fact that a reply is not indicated as such might count as a strike against the 'non-transparent' philosophers.) Anyway, I'd be interested to hear whether others share my reaction, and think that the norm ought to be to list replies/discussion notes as such, at least when their titles don't make this fact obvious.

you thought the job market was bad before?

I would appreciate a discussion on what is happening to ongoing job searches in light of the COVID-19 crisis. While some searches might be able to switch to Zoom/Skype interviews, I have heard of searches are getting cancelled outright, and others are being placed on hold until the crisis clears up (whenever that will be). I can also imagine that for some searches that do eventually resume, the start dates for the positions might be significantly delayed. From a candidate's perspective this adds several additional layers of uncertainty to an already uncertain process, and that might lead to different kinds of decision-making for them (e.g. prioritizing short-term employment certainty over long-term career prospects). It would be informative to hear from both search committee members and job candidates on how they are dealing with this situation.

Prosphd

I’m not sure that there’s anything anyone here can say to help, but I am a prospective Ph. D student in the process of picking my program, but COVID has made any visits impossible. Obviously, I’ve tried Skyping/phoning various students and professors in the departments I’m thinking of choosing, but it simply doesn’t feel like I’m getting the same wealth of information I would have with an in-person visit. Is there any fix for this?

Amanda

So several schools have stopped their searches in the late stages of hiring because of COVID-19. It seems likely that next year's job market will be significantly worse than prior years, and we all know, prior years are already bad. But at my grad PhD program this year, applications were up! I heard from others that said the same, or at least that their applications were stable. Is COVID-19 going to force us to do anything about the ever escalating problem concerning the number of qualified candidates and the number of jobs? Should we do something? If so, what? I am someone in a pretty privileged position, but I don't think anyone should be too confident these days. I am really worried about how this health crisis could impact philosophy and higher education economically, especially at smaller liberal arts schools with less money. I'm not at one of those, but if a school or department closes anywhere, it has ramifications for the entire profession.

anon

What are the chances university admin. could use the current crisis to fire or not renew contingent faculty contracts?

Amanda

anon: very high. I guarantee a lot of it will happen. I would be highly surprised if not more than a few *tenure track* assistant professors were let go. A number of universities will close, and of course, faculty are gone then. The SF art institute is folding.

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