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Martin Shuster

David -- I think this is a great idea…but it is at best a stopgap. For the long-term health of the profession, philosophers need to move themselves away from a reliance on for-profit journal publishers (easier said than done, I know).

Elisa Freschi

Very interesting post, thanks!

May I nonetheless react in a provocative way? I volunteer for an open access journal, am part of open access projects and upload my last drafts (when I am the only author involved) on Academia, BUT I do not understand why should one blame publishing houses for issuing "take-down" notes. If one wants to have one's work circulate, there are plenty of OA journals. If one cares more for having one's work published on top journals, fine, but then why violating the publisher's rights by uploading the published version? It seems to me that one wants to have the cake and eat it.

Re. citing by sections: great idea. I am personally very much in favour of numbered sections (I insist in keeping numbers because I always have sub- and sub-sub-sections whose relation with the main topic would be lost if they only had a title) and in general I think that your idea would also enhance clarity in many philosophical articles!

David Morrow

Martin: I agree. It's a stopgap measure.

Elisa: I also think that many people overreact to the take-down notices. But I don't want to get sidetracked by that issue here.

When you insist on leaving in the section numbering, do the publishers put up a fight?

Marcus Arvan

This is a great post, David -- one that hits close to home. I actually don't have journal access at my institution, and it makes research really difficult. I often end up reading authors' drafts, and sometimes I have just cited paper sections as a result (as you suggest). Believe it or not, I haven't yet had a reviewer or journal call me out on it. It seems to work well, provided the section of the book or article actually is about the point cited.

Kenny Pearce

I got in the habit of citing things by section when I don't feel the need for a more precise citation because of working in early modern. Many of those works have short section numbers which are the same in every edition, while the page numbers differ, so it's easier to just cite by section when possible, and I do the same thing when citing the secondary literature. On the other hand, sections are often long enough that it's nice to have a citation to a specific page.

Another option is just to insert the journal page numbers in the margins or in brackets when you self-archive. This is easily done in LaTeX by using the command \marginpar{}. The result looks like this: http://philpapers.org/archive/PEATRO-7.1.pdf

Elisa Freschi

David: publishers accept my numbering when there are subsections. They don't if it is pleonastic (i.e., if I only have section 1, followed by sections 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.).

Kenny: Great idea, thanks. I use \marginnote{} for the same purpose, but I never thought of adding it in the drafts I upload on Academia.

A connected question: I hate converting files from .tex to .doc. Which journals accept .tex?

Kenny Pearce

Phil Review will at least accept PDFs (including those generated by LaTeX) for initial review purposes, although they require a .doc if accepted. (It's really nasty that a lot of journals have formatting requirements for initial submission, given that their accept rates are so low!) I don't actually know of any philosophy journals that accept .tex for final publication, but then I don't work on formal stuff. I'm sure some of the logic journals must.

Shen-yi Liao

Kenny Pearce: I'm glad I'm not the only one doing that! I'm not sure how legit it is, legally speaking, but no one has issued me a take down notice yet.

Jonathan D. Jacobs

(I posted a comment earlier but I'm not seeing it for some reason; I apologize if any of this is duplicate.)

It seems consistent with this policy that authors insert in their self-created papers that they publish on their websites a note about page numbers. So in the middle of the text the author could insert "[end page 79]". That would seem to solve it, except for perhaps footnotes that break across pages, but again, you could add a similar note in the footnote.

As for LaTeX, I know that PhilImprint takes LaTeX, and the journal I edit (Res Philosophica) does as well. If I remember correctly, PhilStudies took my .tex file, as well.

Justin Caouette

I look forward to the day when our open access journals become as good as some of the more established print journals. This would help to keep younger academics from being torn on where to send their work.

Thanks for the post, David. Very good suggestions, most of which I had not considered before.

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