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Wouldn't we also need to,know the number of people in each class to know the relevant percentage of each class hired?

Neil Levy

Very useful. There seems to be a missing data point: how many of the 52 no top 20 publications had publications in lower ranked journals?

Marcus Arvan

Neil: I didn't keep precise track of that, but from what I recall (I just did the whole thing tonight), most of the people who published in lower journals had also published in top journals. Very few people who got R1 jobs had *only* published in lower journals (though there were some).

The lesson for me, then, is this: people who get R1 jobs who have published tend to be very successful publishing in *both* domains (top journals as well as lower ones). Some people are just incredibly productive, and publish all over the place. They tend to get the R1 jobs...them and the Leiterific people who've never published at all.

Marcus Arvan

Sorry, I should probably clarify one thing. Although most of the R1 hires who published in top-20 journals *also* published in lower journals, the same was not true for the teaching hires.

Teaching hires mostly split into two categories: those who *only* published in top-20 journals and those who *only* published in lower journals (so, yes, several people got teaching jobs with only "lower" ranked publications).

Kyle Whyte

This is really interesting and conforms with my impressions of how the market works. One thing I've been curious about, and I know folks who worry about this sort of thing, is how publications on CVs figure when they are NOT in the dissertation area/core area of specialization. I definitely know folks who have top-20 and lower journal articles not in their AOS. Sometimes these are their only publications. I wonder your analysis gave you any initial impressions about the following questions: Do publications outside of one's AOS not count for much on the job market? Do they count differently depending on R1 or teaching jobs? Do they only count for something if the candidate already demonstrates a coherent research profile, so an extra, non-AOS publications are just more proof of professionalism? Perhaps these questions also apply to articles one co-authored with one's adviser or a senior faculty member and that were more in the latter folks' research areas.

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