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09/16/2012

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Moti Mizrahi

I can see why we want papers that are interesting and/or important published. But I wonder how reviewers make judgments about importance and interestingness. On numerous occasions, I've had one reviewer judge that a paper of mine is interesting/important and another reviewer judge that the same paper is not interesting/important. Any thoughts?

Marcus Arvan

Moti: I can't say how other reviewers make such judgments. I suspect (from personal experience) that some reviewers judge the importance of a paper in terms of how much it interests *them*. For example, I actually had a reviewer leave their name in the "properties" section of their review, and guess what? They said my paper was fundamentally misguided because...you guessed it, it simply went against their own view on the topic (nope, they did not say anything about my actual argument for my view).

In any case, when I judge the "interestingness" of a paper, I try to remove myself from the equation and ask myself: is this the sort of paper I think *others* would find interesting and worth writing on? If so, I judge the paper to be interesting.

Moti Mizrahi

Thanks, Marcus.

I've had a similar experience. A reviewer recommended rejection of a paper of mine which argues that Big Name's argument for p is fallacious. The reviewer's reason: "I never found Big Name's argument all that convincing." (Needless to say, Big Name's argument for p appeared in all the top journals in the field.)

Kyle Whyte

Perhaps there is a problem that reviewers are so entangled in their own interests that it would actually be hard from them to think outside of them. They might genuinely put in a good faith effort to evaluate an article going against their views according to its contribution to advancing the discussion in that area. But wouldn't their prejudices about the topic even frame what they would feel were worthwhile debates to have? They might think, for example, that their work on a topic ended the importance of debate on some matter, etc.

Tom

When I complain in a review that the paper's main thesis isn't interesting/substantial, I write something like "Publish if I'm the only reviewer who has doubts". It's never much of a sign for anything if one single person finds something not so interesting. I hope editors know that...

However, I came to this thread for a different reason: Could someone explain to me what is expected from a reviewer who gets to see the paper only after the first revision? I got the original paper and the revised paper, but not the statements from the other two reviewers. I think that I should only consider "reject" and "publish as is" as recommendations since I don't want to start another round of revisions. But maybe that is unfair as well. Any suggestions?

Kyle Whyte

So they gave you the paper, told you it was round two, but did not show you the original reviews nor do you have access to them through the online system? If that's the case, then I think you have to go with the situation the editor set up: the editor wants the article to get a fresh review from someone who has no idea what the first round was like. So the editor expects the full range of decisions.

Marcus Arvan

Tom: I definitely don't think it's appropriate to only consider "accept" or "reject" in that situation. If the paper is potentially publishable with revisions, you should recommend revise-and-resubmit. Remember, a person who has already received one R-and-R has already had their paper at the journal for a while, and they have it in a favorable spot there (they've already gotten a reviewer or two to judge it's potentially publishable with revisions). As someone who had an R-and-R at a journal after 8 months, did everything the reviewer asked for, and then had the paper rejected outright (by a new reviewer?) on what I thought were poor grounds, I can say -- for myself at least -- that I would rather go through another round of revisions than get a reject. Anyway, why hold yourself to accept or reject if, in reality, you think the paper *could* be published with revisions? Seems like an arbitrary self-imposed limit to me.

Tom

Thanks for the replies! My idea to only consider accept or reject is driven by the thought that as a second-round reviewer one should be more lenient and not introduce completely new demands for changes. As far as I gather the first two reviewer wanted A, B, and C changed and the author made the changes. Now I come along and my first thought after reading the paper is to ask for changes D, E, and F all of which are unrelated to A, B, and C. This is bound to be unsatisfying. As the author I would think "it took them all these months to ask for changes A, B, and C and now they start just another round; if that reviewer’s opinion is so important why didn’t they ask him right away?" Hence, I thought as a third reviewer one should ask for revisions only if they are really, really needed and the paper would in its present form corrupt the youth. After all, the paper should be available to all the participants of the debate and not be buried in the review process. Hence, my original suggestion: As a second-round reviewer one should ask for revisions only if the objections are so severe that one would usually recommend outright rejection. Does this still sound unreasonable to you?

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