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09/20/2012

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Tuomas

This thread is a nice idea, and I'd like to contribute something, but I can't say that I have any real experience of the US market. However, I guess that some general guidelines apply regardless of the market. Here's one suggestion:

Don't go back-stabbing.
In such a small profession, you're bound to know some of your competitors for a job. There may be a temptation to undermine their work or credentials in the light of your colleagues in the hopes that the rumours will make it to the ears of the relevant search committee through the grapevine. Don't do it. For one thing, it's not nice. For another, you might be facing the same thing yourself some day. For yet another, you might end up being colleagues with said competitors, and nothing poisons up a working atmosphere more than back-stabbing. Of course, this applies for all types of back-stabbing-like behaviour. Be friendly, be honest, nothing good will come to you or the profession from back-stabbing.

Kyle Whyte

If you have interviews, make sure you have a roommate or have a good friend on call. You'll need to decompress.

Also, any thoughts on the "Smoker"? Should you or should you not go to it?

Marcus Arvan

Kyle: I've been told that you should go talk to departments that you're interviewing with at the Smoker if, and only if, they ask you to stop by. If they ask you to stop by and you don't, you look like you're not interested or uncooperative. If they don't ask you to stop by and you do, they're either (A) not interested you as a candidate, in which case there's not much you can do there to help your case, or else they're (B) very interested in you, in which case the only thing you can really do by showing up is say something stupid to make them no longer as interested in you.

As an aside, if you don't have any interviews, by all means go to the Smoker. In my experience, it won't make you feel bad about yourself. It's good comedy. Get a drink or two and enjoy. ;)

Tuomas

I went to the Smoker at the Eastern APA in D.C. last year (I hadn't applied for any jobs, but happened to be passing through, so I attended the APA). I have to say that I found it pretty sad. A crowded room full of anxious people drinking crappy beer. Nothing to enjoy there. I'd much rather go to a nice bar with a bunch of philosophers. The purpose of the department tables is completely beyond me; nothing of value seemed to be happening there.

If the Smoker still has any role in the hiring process, I'm firmly of the opinion that it shouldn't. It quite blatantly discriminates against certain groups as well, which has been brought up over and over again in the blogosphere and elsewhere.

That said, the Smoker *could* be a fun event if it was explicitly unrelated to the hiring process. And if they served something drinkable...

Job Seeker

The tone of the addendum really surprises me. "look out for these people! If a candidate seems too good to be true, maybe they are!" Too good to be true in the sense that he or she is coming from a top research program but cares a lot about teaching and would be happy to join your teaching college? That's not a fantasy: indeed, for many that's how it is. This "warning" to SCs just plays into a stereotype that is insensitive to the conditions in the current market.

Marcus Arvan

Job seeker: fair enough -- amended.

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